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 26/07/2004   why ive quit q32992 views | 22 replies 
MindPhuck
Eric Mooney


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over the years, in my role of league admin or general stand up guy, i’ve had aim bots, wall hacks and all manners of cheating mechanisms given to me or i have seen them. i’ve had a look at most of them, tried a few of them and in general, i would know what’s out there in the cheating arena. people in the scene just go 'here, mp, there’s this new cheat, did you see it?', etc. when punkbuster came out, my interest in the area dwindled as i believed that punkbuster was doing a good job.

recently though, i heard of a new aimbot which was defeating punkbuster. i also had a suspicion of a player in the irish scene and wanted to see if he was cheating. i happened to be off work one day, while bored, i went on a mission to find this some bots and see what’s out there. within about 10 minutes of registering on a couple of web sites, i was downloading bots to beat the band. i tried a couple of different bots.. all of which were detectable by punkbuster. one of them though, when you ran it and connected to a server, it had this mad feature that showed who else was using the aimbot. aha, i think i'll try this out and check when the suspected player the next time i see that person.

so i did and it didn’t show up anything.. so, still not completely convinced, i tried another bot. i was amazed at the features and complexity of this bot. it did everything from wallhacks to auto shoot and aim. i was sickened at how 'good' it was. i actually gave it to another irish player and we had a bot duel on games2. all the time, pb was not detecting it. it was an eye opener to say the least..

where’s all this going ? well, one night a few weeks back, i popped onto the jolt league server to start coaching and found myself banned. i was ahh ffs. remembering that i had joined a jolt server a few days prior and it had moaned about some cvars which were left in my config from my bot testing. i fixed my config, reconnected to the server and didn’t think twice about it till i got banned from jolt.

on the night i got banned from jolt, i spoke to a guy called gigabit, who apparently owns the jolt servers. i tried to explain, but how does one 'explain i was messing with a bot'. i spoke to oxi. no joy. i talked to reaper, who used to be in charge of the jolt leagues and he said 'sorry man, one of the reasons why i left jolt was because of such silly banning crapola'.. i spoke to bigfoot.. no joy.. i spoke to everyone that i could speak to and they all pointed their fingers back to gigabit. i tried to speak to him again and try and put some perspective on the situation and he simply ignored me.

so, fine.. my team mates needed me to coach. i jumped on the server with a other cd key, (which i may add was a legitimate, legal other q3 copy) and gigabit booted and banned me from the server again... saying 'once a cheater always a cheater.. and that no matter how many cd keys i used he would ban me. now, to add to this, i couldn’t even try and discuss it with him as he blankly refused to reply to me on irc. for the love of god!

i let it go for two reasons : i didn’t want to get my q3 clan banned from the league for associating with a known 'cheater' and secondly, i would only end up loosing the rag completely and utterly... and that’s not good for the heart at all

i recently found out that zero sent mails to bigfoot and gigabit, explaining the situation on my behalf. i was impressed with zeros way of explaining the truth to biffy and gigabit so much so, it pretty much brought a tear to my eyes about how he cared what i had personally done for irish quake.. and after reading the mails i am absolutely amazed to find that some lad cannot/will not and point blankly refuses to even listen to reason.

totally pissed off with this situation, i resigned from n8z my q3 clan and refuse to play q3 anymore. i am 34 fucking years old, i don’t really get alot of gaming time in, but when i do, i would like to play some quake fucking three without some fucking idiot giving me crap about me cheating.

get this into your head in the most simplistic way i can say it 'i do not fucking cheat!!'
 
 

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26/07/2004 15:25#1
Zero
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He answered my first mail saying the rules would not be changing. I mailed back and he ignored both the emails and my queries on irc. At least oxi (who is dead sound) and even Bif (who we seem to spend a lot of our time fighting with) said pretty much something along the lines of 'look if we could do anything we would'.
In my opinion its bullshit. If there was a come-back to it, I know people say "rules are rules" etc., but to be completely cast-iron-set-in-stone about it to the point of gross ignorance, even after accepting that someone may have been 'caught out' in the wrong AND with jolt admins vouching for the person in question, the guy is obviously a bigotted suds-type alpha-nerd who will refuse to budge, and we are wasting our breath. Knob. Probably ban me for talking about him now.
 
 

26/07/2004 15:59#2
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Laurent Humblet




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MP, I believe that the guys in Jolt don't have a clue of who you are and how important you are to the irish gaming scene.

Yet, even explaining the entire situation a couples of times to various Jolt admins doen't seem to unlock the problem. Even if another important irish quaker did try his best to clarify the situation (Zero). Yet again, who's Zero for Jolt? Do they even know the irish play quake?

But clearly it's not an issue with Jolt, it's an issue with the two main Jolt admins (Bigfoot and Gigabit) who should maybe spend a bit of time to browse through quake.ie to get a better understanding of the situation or at least, a better understanding of who you both are.

Well, I believe that this is a temporary issue and let's hope you'll be back playing on Jolt servers quickly enough man
 
 

26/07/2004 16:18#3
Illkillya
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to be fair to bigfoot, it is an issue with Gigabit only. I'm sure bigfoot must be driven mad by Jolt's stubbornness when it comes to admitting their mistakes and unbanning cd keys. Jolt have always been like this; bigfoot has only been like this since he joined Jolt. If theyre paying his wages and insist it must be done in a certain way, then all he can do is point you in Gigabit's direction. Booting you from a server saying 'once a cheater, always a cheater' though is infuriating, would make me want to book a flight over to England to beat the shite out of him. Sure remember when they banned xeno who was head admin of the jolt ctf league and core of the jolt ctf community, and wouldn't unban him.

Bigfoot does read quake.ie a lot (used to anyway) and he takes note of it I'm sure, but Gigabit won't change his mind no matter what he reads.

I can understand never playing on Jolt servers again, but MP would you still play on Irish servers/clanbase and iq3cl? With a new quakelan coming up too theres plenty unjolt q3 to have.
 
 

26/07/2004 16:52#4
MindPhuck
Eric Mooney


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I don't believe its bigfoots that at fault. I messaged bif hoping hed go 'here gigabit, hes okay, sort it there please'. but it didn't work out that way.



Lads, I don't believe its technially their fault. Its not. I did have an aimbot. I didnt have it on their servers, it was some stupid ass cvars. I have said that. But i Don't cheat. period.



What I do think tho is that it sucks big fat ones as their being so 'cast iron' about their precious rules. I would have expected a little leeway, to be told off .. 'or if it happens again, etc'. but to be banned..



Ive said it time and time again, I have a lot of time for people who put an effort into their respective gaming communities they support.. Oxi, Reaper, Bigfoot and even GigaBit himself.. Only one thing, I expect the same in return.



I can't see myself playing in Jolt leagues for any game again.




 
 

26/07/2004 16:59#5
anonymous





me and mel got banned about 1-2 years ago from jolt for sharing a cd key at a lan i cant actually remember the details of it now, but we didnt do anything wrong and werent unbanned. (i only ever pld on jolt for league games so i obviously wasnt up to anything). I just got another cd key to play league games for fh (thnks ize). I dunno what mel did. By the sound of this guy if he read this he'd probably ban the cd key im on now he seems like a right self righteous up his own ass internet nerd.

vinnit
 

26/07/2004 18:29#6
anonymous





Just pretend to be a girl, play with a new cd key and in 6 days you'll be ops and admin of just about everything in Jolt..and q3..

As an added bonus Gigabite will be in love with you.

bunnny
 

26/07/2004 19:02#7
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Laurent Humblet




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you could even keep 'mp' and call yourself MegaPussy



I would extend the joke by precising that 'bite' in french means c#ck, so if in a couples of days, GibaBite falls in love with MegaPussy, it'll then clearly be a MindPhuck for Jolt's admins
 
 

26/07/2004 19:31#8
anonymous





you probably heard about xeno from lsr gettin banned from jolt ages back, he was sharing a cdkey (playin on his mates adsl) and got banned, he was a jolt admin at the time and was banned from the admin chat straight away. This was standard jolt policy but a bit hard imo. Suffice to say I dont admin for jolt anymore since that.
Bigfoot doesnt handle the server admin work, giga is the one in charge of all that.

I think the reason bans wont be removed is because if one is then other people will try to claim your own valid reason for why you were kicked.

This has cropped up before and it sucks :/

sno
 

26/07/2004 19:33#9
anonymous





just wanna say: xeno didnt cheat but hes a llama

Eric you wouldnt cheat either, all youve done for irish q3 is commendable. wp

sno
 

26/07/2004 22:04#10
anonymous





bullshit man, sorry to see you go... jolt have turned all strict in the past 6 months, everyones getting banned for no reason and they dont listen to ya :|

z3on

anonymous
 

27/07/2004 01:31#11
MIXU
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i welcome you back with big open arms to quakeworld!
 
 

27/07/2004 08:47#12
Zero
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no what i meant about bigfoot was that even though we are often arguing etc with him, he'd still be the type of guy who'd be very reasonable etc, but there was nothing he could do about it.
hearing that about xeno tho just takes the biscuit, someone should give gigabit a few slaps and sort him out.
 
 

27/07/2004 09:02#13
MindPhuck
Eric Mooney


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heh, yeah QW here I comes!!.. heheh... In fairness, I dont think i can go back to qw just yet. Doom3 is around the corner...

Yeah killy, I does make you want to get a flight over to the uk and beat the living shit out of someone. Absoultely brilliant! At least I'd feel good


 
 

27/07/2004 14:22#14
bAz
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seems all a bit over the top, personal grudge?
 
 

28/07/2004 09:05#15
MindPhuck
Eric Mooney


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never heard/spoke to the guy before.
 
 

28/07/2004 15:42#16
Osiris
Phill Kerins




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And just when I'd been getting the urge to get back to the game=/ Seem power just goes to some people's heads.
 
 

28/07/2004 22:04#17
Sky
Rick Walker




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heh Eric, Jay and Silent Bob style revenge mission

I can sort of understand banning the first q3 key - yeah in your case it's explainable but it's too much hassle to keep listening to those from anyone who gets banned. But banning a second, valid key for no reason other than your first key is banned is just silly.

It seems like things are winding down a bit generally as we're all set for D3. I just hope it doesn't suck online.
 
 

29/07/2004 15:42#18
anonymous





Our cd keys eventually got unbanned (by bigfoot) after 2 years or so when I moaned about it in some anti jolt thread on esreality.

mel
 

30/07/2004 09:23#19
Illkillya
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I think just yours was unbanned mel; vin's remained banned afaik
 
 

30/07/2004 11:54#20
BioHazRd
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There goes the one guy I could beat regularly - might as well give it up myself

Seriously though, this sux - sorry for your troubles m8. Im sure we will be hooking up together at some stage in the future to keep the gaming scene alive in Ireland - until then, keep the chin up

Bio
 
 
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