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 02/11/2004   holidays, offline and nations cup9397 views | 26 replies 
Zero
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after 3 weeks of a packet-loss-filled connection, 2 weeks of disconnection, and 2 weeks of holidays, you could say i have "been away" to put it mildly. moved into a new house now and waiting for the dsl to be connected, will hopefully be back online within the fortnight. i must say i'm disgusted at what i read on this site when i got back into work yesterday.
how dare ye have a row when i'm not there, you bunch of inconsiderate bastards. we havent had a good row in 12 months at least, and ye wait for the one fucking time i'm on holidays to have a go at each other. if that ever happens again, i'm going to have this site taken down, the iol server taken down, and all irish players banned from clanbase and jolt. maybe then ye will learn a bit of common fucking manners and wait til i'm online before ye have a row...
anyway, back to business. ds was deadly, n8z and fh had some deadly games, we played tdm earlier in the night (2-1 to n8z in some very close games), and after the pub played ctf later on (2-2 in sickenly close games, fh won 1st and 3rd games, must put up a match report like paddy did later on for one of the games). sky came over for the weekend, and while we were very disorganised etc., (me and mp both movin gaff at same time, me just back from states etc), we got some good games in and was deadly to meet rick after talkin to him on irc/teamspeak for a long time. he'll be over for the next lan, in which we'll hope to get a lot more clan games played, altho i spose ded turning up would depend on the price of flights from eastern europe (haha).

anyhoo, even though ye're little argument seems to have blown over, i will still make my few comments on what was said, there were one or two things i noticed as i skipped through the little handbag quarrel in the comments: -

baz: "i was specifically referring to the last nc, in which you dropped the whole team because you lost you connex"
if you look here, you'll see that that wasn't the case, it was multiple players unavailable, and a general consensus in the team to pull out.

banjo: "how many clans have u/killy/zero and as kilyl said spec/dest/sky run?"
you are kidding banjo, right? i'll give you specifics here so if you like. i ran the fianna qw clan from 1996 to 1998. we changed our name to nd and i ran that clan from 1998 til april 03. i co-ran se7en with mindphuck from 99-2000. i have been running n8z since myself rapp and mp formed it back last october. i solely captained the irish qw team in a nations cup back in 1998. i helped run the irish qw team that flew over to france in early 1998 to play the french. i solely captained the irish q3 team in 2001 that qualified and flew over to london for the bw european finals in q3. i managed the irish duellers that went to cologne to compete in the 2002 cpl. without specifics i solely managed both ctf and tdm q3 teams in some of the online competitions during the last 5 years, and also shared captaincy with mp and killy for other online competitions, (both of whom have also ran the team on their own).

banjo : "but i do believe it should be more than one person running as my idea of a first team is also very different than ronans"
emmm....i said attack : dest/killy/kazz, def : melachi/vin/sky. i left rapp out as he is offline. if your proposed team is "very different" from mine, i'd love to hear names being named.
attackers:
dest - this guy is the best attacker in the country by miles, there is absolutely nobody better, everyone knows it and if there is anybody who thinks differently, that person hasnt a clue.
killy/kazz - i think jim definitely comes in second as an attacker, with kazz a very close third. there are others like sno/nexus/benji/bd who have very similar speed and tricks as the two guys but on simple fragging skills they would come out top and be the choice.
defenders:
melachi - it's a toss-up between melachi and rapp as to which is the better player, they are both by far the most skilled quake3 players in the country. as rapp is offline, melachi would be the first choice as a defender, because not only does he have the mad skillz, he also knows exactly what to do in the ctf and has played for elaw among others. any player who has played with or against mel will know that there is no other first choice as a defender. when he plays, people die. simple as that.
vincent - while eamo wouldn't be quite as l33t as melachi, he is very fuckin good and is probably the cleverest ctf defender that could be on the irish team.
sky - apart from having played with numerous heavy-hitting uk teams, sky has also played on team.ie and well proven his worth on the team. he is an exceptional teamplayer, and has the skills to boot.

players can be listed all night that are up to playin on a national team, but whoever thinks that there is someone who better fills a position than the guys i have named, i'd like to hear who they would put on the team, and who that person would replace, and why. i could see from the original post below that some people seemed to think it was all a big clan thing, i saw a comment somewhere saying "uh overlooking ded" or some such tripe. when it comes to a national team, it comes down to the best 5 irish players. there are plenty of good players (nex, ch, carl, casc, ol, pyro, sno, flash), but i wouldnt put any of them on ahead of the six players above, with the possible exception of sno, who i find very impressive. how benji could say his team would be very different from mine....can i hear what it would be, as in an actual team and not a sweeping generalisation?
 
 

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11/02/2004 17:52#1
benji
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Dest - This guy is the best attacker in the country by miles, there is absolutely nobody better, everyone knows it and if there is anybody who thinks differently, that person hasnt a clue.



i think diff, i showed him how to attack

and actually while im here. casc is a lot better than u give him credit for. just thought id add that.




'nexus' usually plays high def iirc ronan




'If you look here, you'll see that that wasn't the case, it was multiple players unavailable' what players thou?
 
 

11/02/2004 18:27#2
Illkillya
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melachi, rapp, Vin, me, MP, Zero, Anarchy, Mindphuck, all of whom had been vital in the previous clanbase and altnations campaign were no longer able to participate. Add to that sno's inactivity, and also reason to exclude Sky, and a general apathy from all but a few of the remaining active Irish q3 players.
 
 

11/02/2004 18:37#3
Illkillya
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do you think that I was lying when I said I consulted the squad members? Those who played for us in the previous two seasons were all spoken to before we decided not to enter. Any makeshift team we could have scratched together would have been far below the standard expected of any nations cup team, let alone the standard that Ireland had built up over the past few seasons, thats if we could have managed to field a team at all, given the fact that our squad would have been mostly first time, untested players.

If the response from those I spoke regarding withdrawing from the competition had been strongly negative, then we would have worked something out, to bring Vincent onto DSL, or to rekindle Koopa's interest, or ask Anarchy to make a few appearences, in order to avoid getting raped. Most people agreed with me though, and others weren't too pushed either way.

There were no problems withdrawing, since some of my freezetag clanmates were also involved in the Croatian National CTF team, who were on the waiting list with an apparently strong and enthusiastic squad. The Cup admins and the Croatian team were happy to make the simple swap.

I still think it was the best decision, it had been a mistake to enter in the first place... since in the past there have been seasons when we decided not to enter, only to bounce back the following season when things were looking better. The main reason I had entered, is because just before I signed us up for clanbase, we had a team preparing for Altnations competition, with the likes of melachi, and Rapp quite active, and it was looking good. This changed just after entering when the key players that I already mentioned pulled out.
 
 

11/02/2004 19:27#4
anonymous





benji showed dest how to attack.
lad we remember ye when ye were called mr spendlove.


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11/02/2004 23:44#5
benji
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we had like 15dsl'rs or so we could have used which included kazz and the all godly desty
 
 

11/03/2004 01:34#6
kaZz
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firstly, I dont believe killy is better than me in attack, 2ndly I dont believe Dest is better than me in attack, thirdly I do believe Mel and rapp are top players and it would be a toss up between them tbh. but we shall see in this nations cup, ive been active lately so, GAME ON.
 
 

11/03/2004 08:25#7
Illkillya
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benji, name the 15 dslrs, and then afterwards, name the ones who are good enough to play in the nations cup.
 
 

11/03/2004 08:37#8
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the only one that seems to have a problem with the last unplayed NC is you. Anyone else would like to speak up ?



Eitherway, its old hat. Can we move on?



btw, Where where were you at Darkside ?
 
 

11/03/2004 09:29#9
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sorry a sec, benji, you arent actually trying to equate yourself to dest are you?

so cmere, name the team that you say would be so different to mine, because it looks to me like all you are saying is "i should be on the team". And I mean, name the team, post up 5/6 alternate names that would take out the team above.

And reading back on that thread, : Obviously anybody has a right to run a national team, and players appreciate the fact that the likes of benji or baz will offer their services, as we need more "Do"-ers in the Irish scene. But I dont think any of the previous captains would have anything bad to say if they had been spoken to with some bit of respect in regard to the amount of effort both guys have previously put into running the team, hours of work and organising people, then they get this stupid bullshit like "uh what did you do last time? What happened in the last cup?". What happened is what happened in any of the cups, the guys did a fuckin great job, simple as that. If Killy pulled the team from the last cup, then he had a good fucking reason for doing it.
 
 

11/03/2004 10:29#10
kaZz
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Sky needs his janet back haha, Mr 5ping go rick :>
 
 

11/03/2004 12:27#11
benji
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killy

me kazz casc baz spec bd kat dest sno nex flash ch and some isdners too, carl/space/vin/pyro(i think was isdn at the time)



"btw, Where where were you at Darkside ?"

had no moneh eric, just bought a geetar



and ofcourse i rock dest
 
 

11/03/2004 12:55#12
Illkillya
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do you want to narrow that down now to people who were actually good enough to play in nationscup?
 
 

11/03/2004 12:56#13
CH
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i'm not good enough to be on a nations cup team--there are a few others in your list that aren't either (not my place to say who).
 
 

11/03/2004 13:03#14
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any 5 from those players could potentially have made a team of nationscup standard, (I said this at the time) with a load of work and a lot of prac. From a few of the players, the enthuasiasm and commitment for this was not there, and the question had to be asked, would it be worth getting Vin to drive an hour to someone else's house for DSL just so we can finish second last in our group with the weakest squad Ireland has ever had? Because that would have been our aim... to beat a team like Portugal, who we would have trashed in any of the previous seasons, in order to avoid the wooden spoon.
 
 

11/03/2004 14:45#15
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Obviously we cant have a logical argument when its opinion against opinion, which is what this is, but in the context of a national team, you need people who are going to turn a game around, someone who will come up against the likes of deus and hand him his ass. "Good" ctf players don't do that, that's what Killy is referencing when he's talking about national team material. I wouldn't put myself on a national team, yet I'd be picked ahead of some people listed. Baz and Spec were noobs at the last nations cup, CH has a lot of skill now but back then he was "learning his trade". Kat was booted from the team. ISDNers are a complete and utter NO in a nations cup. Of the players you listed, if you were to ask, "At the time of the last nations cup, could this person have taken on people like blokey/deus/whoever and have the skill to take them out / get by them with a flag?"
benji (yes), kazz (yes), casc (maybe), baz (NO), spec (NO), bd (yes), dest (yes), sno (yes), nex (maybe), flash (yes), ch (NO).
ISDN: All NO.

Six YES's (mostly attackers) and two maybes, and no team manager. I'd have pulled the team out.
 
 

11/03/2004 16:11#16
anonymous





My sources say ISDN might not be a problem for eamo anymore. *wink*




ps. I'm getting DSL

giblet
 

11/03/2004 19:38#17
anonymous





when we played uk blokey lg and rail'd my ass all over the show

scottish dave i rocket jumped on his head thou

so ie are entering a team then? with all this bleeting its kinda difficult to tell

sno
 

11/03/2004 19:38#18
anonymous





when we played uk blokey lg and rail'd my ass all over the show

scottish dave i rocket jumped on his head thou

so ie are entering a team then? with all this bleeting its kinda difficult to tell

sno
 

11/03/2004 19:38#19
anonymous





baz doesnt even get his game for DeD

Dont think he stated he was a player either //ohermissus

anonymous
 

11/03/2004 19:39#20
anonymous





i did not hit f5!!

sno
 
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