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quake.ie columns sick of this shit
 11/04/2002   sick of this shit1027 views | 23 replies 
Zero
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quote: bunny's column:sam doesn't want to play online q3 ever, and when he does his machine stutters or gets terrible isdn pings to uk. ronan's office has one of the biggest connects in ireland, but suffers from some wierd horrible pl during game, me and nicky have to go somewhere else to play because of it. we get there and i am sick, so i don't practice except for one duel, but then again we havent played a war since last week, the computer i have to use has the only special shaped spastic keyboard in ireland with a huge mouse, why do we put ourselves through this pain? they rightly destroyed us on ospdm5, i wouldve been disgusted if they hadn't.

i hate writing "bitch columns". people read them and think "sore losers", or write little "lol" messages in the comments and laugh away, instead of considering that what the guy is saying might actually be genuine. last night was another little episode in a long series of shit irish connections. lots of the little "net gays" seem to have a huge problem with losing games, but we actually don't, as long as we arent being shit on. i don't mind losing a game to a team that is better, it's a learning experience, you pick up on stuff the other guys were doing, you say, fuck, they had that 4th guy come back through there after quad and he did blah which led onto blah and made it hard for us to do blah or whatever. when you lose to a team that is better, you sponge up their tactics and decide how you are going to do shit differently next time.

but when you lose to a team that you know you could easily take, when lose because of your fucking everlasting connection problems, it's the most frustrating thing in the world, and would put me off quake3. last night, i was on a 48ping to bw from this ul connection, which has recently been upgraded to a 155mbit pipe. should be the most savage connect in the world but it's not. every 2 seconds, a huge spike. monstrous thing that caused the guys i was trying to shoot to "teleport" around at about 8-10 feet/sec. i meet a spawner on osp5 and empty a plasma gun into him. 50 bolts, not one beep. fuck that. i'm sick of this shit. vorosha has moved into a gaff in limerick that has adsl, and we thought "fuckin deadly, we can get two lads in there to play". maybe we can, and will be well cool if the guys in the house dont mind, but last night of course bunny has some sort of fuckin flu or something, naturally this only happens when we dont have a sub to play for him. or a sub for me, as i watch guys teleport around the level like fuckin star trek. anyway....beast is on form and starts rocking on dm14tmp, koopa seems to have something wrong says his connect is gone to shit, but fuck it, hey we're winning so i decide to play it safe, stick by the guys coz if i'm caught on my own on this connect i'm dead. we are 10 ahead when we go for quad, get both quad and bs, and belt back to ra. the enemy team attacks, i die, and obviously don't see who did it, i'm lucky i know what part of the level i'm in the way this connect is going. a battlesuited lagged koopa dies at the hand of a weak rl carrier. the other team closes the gap, takes the ra and holds their lucky little lead for the rest of the game, picking up kills from the likes of me spawing in ra more times than i can count.

the end result on dm14 is 104-95, lk winning by 9 kills. this is the second best team in our group at the moment, supposedly one of the best in france...?? how many times have they played dm14tmp? how many nights a week do they play, be it as a team or as individuals? if that's the best that they can do against a team who have played about 40 online wars, and with 3 team members in trouble.....if thats the best that they can do, then they are shite, and that's what makes it worse when you lose to them. how do you explain to someone with a net connection that you actually dont play online, that you dont have an internet connection, or in our case, 2 of the team dont have computers??. that the only practise nd gets is on this shitty connect once a week in official bw wars, that before the bw league, the only games we had played for 6 months before were at two weekend lans where we played a total of maybe 30 wars??

what would be perfect, absolutely perfect, would be if our connections were fine, and every one of these teams beat the living shit out of us. i would love that, i could say "yeah, we havent played fuck all, they are way more experienced than us, and they deserve the win". but they dont, all these teams that have been playing for ages and ages, when our connect isnt too bad they barely beat us, and that's the sickener. i have no doubt that on lan, nd could field a team, say bunny koopa beast and jay, with myself or overlord as coach, and would rape, not just beat, rape every single one of those teams we have to play in this league that are winning because of our connections. and don't take my word for it, look at fh, with savage members like lorcan, dest, vincent, stuck down in the shitty depths of division 3d, being beaten by muppets, because they can't get a decent connect. just as well bio is full of europeans or the irish representation in the bw league might as well throw in the towel altogether.

what's the story? why do we live in a country that has the shittest telecoms situation on the planet? fuckin ethiopia has better connections than us. the thoughts of having a decent connection in the gaff, its like something imaginary. look at bunny, he lives in my gaff, doesnt own a computer. sits down last week on osp6 vs kr and boxes the living shit out of them. outsmarts the enemies he meets (on a third of his ping) and busts them, comes out way on top of the game. imagine what that guy could do with a bit of practise on a decent connection. well i fuckin give up. we have to play xeno tonight, and if we get the same bullshit problems that we have been getting since we entered this league, we might just give up altogether.
 
 

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11/04/2002#1
MindPhuck
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Just non-ire players just DONT understand what our connects are like. Ive been promising to go to one of these lans in the uk and show them what its really about.

Id be up for the next insomnia and getting a few heads over and giving the 'top' clans a good annalling.

They know it too.
 
 

11/04/2002#2
M1ke
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of our irish players most of them and there's been loads of them about 15 or so ... decided that it wasn't worth it and threw in the towel when it came to tdm because of the shyte you talk about.

Myself and jedi tho... played and played, and practiced for years(literally) and we adapted to this atmosphere of bullshit - and embraced it. It's possible to do well you just need to learn howto play on such an utter bullshit connection and its also possible to win. Myself and tom proved that after a few seasons at the top in division 1. Of course without the help of 2 sweet pinging europeans it would have been a lot tougher heh At the end of it all it's actually great fun once you master it - and then when you goto play these same teams at a lan it's twice as sweet.

You can spend 2/3 seasons enduring this building your experience and then you'll overcome it. You can have all the raw skill in the world but it won't make fuckall difference - you need to build from experience, because we live in such a shyte country for telecom infrastructure. Or you can quit. They're the choices.
 
 

11/04/2002#3
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I've often thought about taking FH out of the bwdml because of the same reasons you listed... I am still thinking of it. Theres a couple of reasons why we're still there.. occasionally, the connections are OK and its fun, and also there are a couple of tdmers in FH who don't really play CTF.

The problem with an online league like this is that in Ireland, you will ALWAYS be playing below your level, because nD is at their best on LAN. So even if ye all had good Vorosha connects, you would all still be playing way below what you're capable of, because ye dont have the net experience to cope with the 50 ping. The only way to combat that is to become a net clan, playing often on 50 ping and doing what m1ke says.

As it is, I'm guessing ye have terrible accuracies on the net, can't hit a thing. So when you win games, its totally on teamplay and stuff. I watched Bunny's OSP6 demo, and I could feel his pain as he tried to use the railgun. Imagine if ye could actually hit those rails and stuff. FH has a similar problem, we're a bit used to 50 - 60 ping, playing on Irish servers and Jolt for friendlies, then once a week in the league our connections completely disintegrate, doubling our pings whenever we look at an enemy. I had the same problem the last day vs DA on ospdm6, I was running YA+mega so I had 200h and 150a, and a plasma gun, and I would die to one of their plasma guys as soon as he came. I should have been clever like Bunny, and kept my distance, ducked behind a corner and shot a rocket, and had no faith in rail or plasma because I can't use them properly. Koopa has the best mg and lg of anyone i know, but put him in a BWDML game and it will totally wreck his aim because of the connection he has to cope with.

If you stick with it (which you should do imo) you'll be better next season, but even if you get to div1, you will still be playing below your level and at a disadvantage. The best thing ye could possibly do (although you wont believe me) is become a CTF clan. Lorc was once a TDM enthusiast like ye, dating back to the qw days, but a few games of CTF made him see the light. Its a lot more fun, more about teamplay, and although you'll still be playing below your level, you will enjoy it a lot more I reckon.
 
 

11/04/2002#4
nDPodgeen
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lol?
 
 

11/04/2002#5
Zero
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..you're missing the point, I'm not talking about the ping, the connect we are getting these days is 15-20PL. If the connect was some bit stable, we have no problem spending time adapting to it, but its not. Even on games2, there are lads will come into the room, you'll see them at the door, they teleport across the room in bounces and next thing they instantly appear at the top of the jumppad in the air with a rocket in your face. make you wanna cry.

But fuckit, xeno defaulted. hah.
 
 

11/04/2002#6
Nexus
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Thats why i dony play online tdm for fh. i cant stand playin it on the uk servers. Vin's the same now as is lorc. we just cant stand it. a waste of time imo. we should do a another Irish league and invite them to play here, then we can fuck them over
 
 

12/04/2002#7
Jay
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It's more of the same sh!te. I'm TELLING you when I get back, we'll play from my office. (Three of us anyway) We have a T1, if it can take 4, then why not. I get great pings to BW and zero PL. Solid 48 ping.... with maxpackets, snaps at 125 and rate at 20000. 9 hops to BW. Just wait.
I'm back on the 28th of April.

I only hope I'm back in time for the last league game. THAT way we can finish with a raping.
 
 

12/04/2002#8
TowN
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Just admit it your all fuking crap
 
 

12/04/2002#9
Zero
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Hurry back Jeff, the circle will be complete. Hope you are praccying against American gays over there, there's a team slot here with your name on it.
 
 

12/04/2002#10
nDPodgeen
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email me, podgeen@skynet.ie

 
 

12/04/2002#11
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y don't u try a home and away system , makes sense
e.g.
irish server for us
and uk for them(ie the english ).


Cptbeefhart
 

12/04/2002#12
Zero
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ah well its an english league, so if you want to participate in it, you have to play on their servers along with the french/germans etc. The annoying thing is that all the rest of them get decent connects to UK.
 
 

12/04/2002#13
Sky
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"Why do we live in a country that has the SHITTEST telecoms situation on the planet?"

You and the Spanish Ronan. Take D&M for example - they played in the opencup the season before and got hammered on shitty spanish isdn. This time round they got a leased line to play from and they had a pretty good first Eurocup.

If you lads're really serious about BW you either need:
- some decent slpb UK/euro players
- a decent ie conn

You *can* get away with some ie isdn'ers (I put up with m1ke in SS for years fs but a whole team of them won't work, for example. tbh, a whole team of UK isdn'ers doesn't work either.

Q3 online = 70% ping. My lot over in div 2a've been crippled by 200 pinging pipex dsl for like half the season now - it's finally been fixed and, surprise, we're winning games.

After all the effort you've put into getting into BW in the first place, I'd hate to see you lads drop now.
 
 

12/04/2002#14
OverLord
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Thanks for the support lads its exactly what we wanted to hear. It's hard to be still handicapped by connection even after years of playing quake. nD will keep trying and we will be in BWDML next season. When Jay comes back there will be batins'!
 
 

12/04/2002#15
chas
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Season 1-4 BWDML. Everyone who was anyone was ISDN (Aside from the cheating janet hoes: sky, acquiesence, echinus and tango_man to name a few). Q3 was fun, there was fuckall ping whinging. My Northern Irish ISDN has always put myself at a slight disadvantage, but I would like to think that I coped pretty well on every map. >Z<'s main team was all ISDN. ( myself, and three English fellas ) and we had consolidated nicely into the "second tier" (DC, nEo, ourselves) of BWDML div1.

Things were fine, the sun shone, birds sang gleefully to their mates and there was even the occasional "gg" comment. Then came along WTF, sporting a team of four broadbanders. Next to emerge was Mr and then belguin teams began to creep out from the woodwork. Even nEo joined in the party. Broadband was taking over. Thing that always did my fucking head in is that you could comfortably rape a team .. then the come back a few weeks later avec maxpackets 100 and your propper fucked. Broadband wasnt available to any of us, I stopped playing q3 competitivly, >Z<'s BWDML team fell apart and the only way the team survived was recruiting broadbanders.

I guess I only hark on about all this bollox because broadband isnt available in my area for the next good few years and I cant bear to play again and be fucked over by some players/teams that got raped when connections were equal.

Its quite simple, you cannot play 2 or more players from ISDN. Let alone Irish ISDN. Let alone some fucked up Irish "star trek" connections. Get your decent conn, rape through whatever division you are in and take it right too division one.

I'll sure be cheering you on
 
 

12/04/2002#16
saik
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kick a mudhole in those bitchass mother****ers!
 
 

12/04/2002#17
Jedi-USA
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Well you'll be glad to hear that myself and jeff have met many a night on the US Freeze/TDM servers. 0% pl. Oh so sweet.

My advice is to suck it up lads. It was not much better a year ago. My advice is to play play play. Simple as that. Also going from lan to Net is whats fucking you guys up. I've watched the demos you aiming for directly at them. It doesnt work trust me. Try practicing onlie for a month without lanning and you'll be able to allow for the PL and lag.


 
 

13/04/2002#18
OverLord
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Jedi you dont understand.
To play for a month online requires a continuous internet connection. Bunny, Beast and Zero dont have this. Zero has a (recently dodgy)connection from his office.
He can bring in one or two players once a week as a gesture but theres no way the company are allowing four lads in every night to play quake with at least a half a million euro worth of hardware, software and sensitive company information around. As soon as they do get a easily available connection you can be sure they will be playing online a_lot.
 
 

13/04/2002#19
M1ke
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./me sobs ahh the old days when everyone was isdn they were the days chas. you could play 4k and unr and not get 0wned like a biatch.

anyway good luck nD ! don't drop out because it'll suck for irish quake we need the numbers to keep going.... it can only get better from now on.
 
 

14/04/2002#20
Vinnit
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"it can only get better from now on." u've just jinxed it m1ke we'll now how to suffer 56k pings and teleport pl levels. Ya what norm says i'm a bit pissed off with bw league and our connections myself along with lorc and co. It just cripples us, most ppl dont consider fh anygood, but given the connects there'd be a few surprises top of div2 easy and nd fighting it out in div1



 
 
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