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quake.ie main news eircom announce - i stream
 11/09/2001   eircom announce - i stream1435 views | 29 replies 
M1ke
Michael Breen




posts : 288


this must be something quake
players are interested in so i'll give some info on it here. eircom have finally
made a move on dsl, publically announcing a package, and a date... since it's
the only available dsl package in ireland at the moment it's a total rip off
when compared to other european countries. also there are rumours of a "cap"
being put on the service... which coupled with the high price would make it
even more unattractive.


i steam solo

the product has both a usb port or ethernet option

speeds are up to 512kbps downstream/128kbps upstream

connection fee is 125 (ir£98.45) - monthly fee is 99 (ir£77.97).

additional equipment required: adsl usb modem 145 (ir£114.20) or adsl ethernet
modem 200 (ir£157.51)



i stream plus

speeds are up to 1mbps downstream/256kbps upstream

connection fee is 125 (ir£98.45) - monthly fee is 165 (ir£129.95).


they're 34 exchanges flagged
for upgrading throughout dublin for dsl. after talking to an eircom customer
rep i was told that shortly after launch, and in the proceeding weeks all 34
exchanges will be upgraded.


ther'll be a 15 day wait
from ordering to installation (i was told the same delays that accompanied isdn
installation will not be present with adsl installation), after a phone line
test to verify your line is within the nesessary distance from telephone exchange.
they'll be accepting pre-orders from about next week onwards and say they'll
start installing lines in peoples houses on the 28th of september.

 
 

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12/09/2001#21
M1ke
Michael Breen




posts : 288


of course the price could hardly have been unexpected... eircom have isolated all competition, they're targetting SME's and heavy internet users only, they've strangled the domestic user... they can charge whatever the fuckin want. So it's absolutely no suprise... what it is tho, is a fuckin disgrace.

As for gaming, they've opted for a low quality - high latency version of DSL... why not just do what everyone else is europe is doing and provide equipment that will make the server run at sub 30ms to local servers....that's all, simple and dandy. But they'll cut costs, cap the service, make it crap.... and charge higher because they can - and no one like the ODTR is going to be able to stop them on behalf of the Irish consumer.... because no one can.
 
 

12/09/2001#22
Robbo
Robbo




posts : 17


You see, to have missed the point M1ke. Eircom are a plc, they have a duty to their shareholders to make a profit. Capitalism allows them to do this in whatever manner they deem appropriate, obviously while keeping within the law.
The reaction here, and in the the IOFFL board has dissappointed me immensely. The standard of public debate is abysmally poor. What we have are ppls kneejerk reactions from the high moral ground, who want the service to be everything to everyone. In short, they're behaving like spoilt teenagers.
 
 

12/09/2001#23
M1ke
Michael Breen




posts : 288


eircom are only a plc in name, they've got a monopoly, unfair competitive advantage, yes they have a duty to make a profit for their share holders - and the internet and telecom infrastructure in Ireland is suffering badly because of this ... so you can understand why people are immensely disappointed with the current situation... they're too many people like you who are convinced that making a profit while ignoring basic fundamentals (investing adequately in infrastructure) is sound business... SHELL OIL did the same in Africa to cite an example .... milk the people for a profit seems to be the ethos behind eircom. Are you an eircom employee ?
 
 

12/09/2001#24
Robbo
Robbo




posts : 17


Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm a student. To say that Eircom have a monopoly is just plain ignorant, the local loop was "unbundled" on January 1st. Eircom have stalled on this, a lot of ppl would say unacceptably so, but the interest from OLOs has been scant. Only one other company seems serious about it, Esat.

Bringing Shell into this just muddies the water, allowing you to sit atop a moral high horse.

You seem to think that Eircom are some form of charity, that owe us all what we deem righteous.


 
 

12/09/2001#25
M1ke
Michael Breen




posts : 288


haven't seen a good flame since I stopped writing for quake.ie last time, good to see

you've used the phrases moral high horse and moral high ground so far... I think they're extreme phrases in this circumstance - I think eircom should do the good and moral thing yes, invest in telecom infrastructure with the backing of the government, I think the ODTR should have more powers to force eircom to do the right and moral thing yes, so maybe i'm sooo moral wanting that... maybe, like you... I should not want that. Fair enuff... let's all go hunt the short term money, and let's all stay on our 56k modems and isdn for the next 5 years while the rest of the world speeds ahead.
 
 

12/09/2001#26
Robbo
Robbo




posts : 17


Personally I would love to see the French example followed with the government bankrolling the, er, rolling out of DSL. But they have a history of bailing out comanies in need of capital investment (Renault, France Telecom) as opposed to Fianna Fails rampant turbo-capitalism.

Comparing Ireland to other European countries in telecoms standards is a tad precocious to say the least. Our tiny population and still very rural economy just doesn't cut the mustard when creating demand for a product like DSL.

With regard the moral high horse, my use is entirely justified. You compared a slightly overpriced product with the systematic raping of a countries resources to "further" your point.

If the regulator deems Eircom's behaviour dissatisfactory, she has some power to remedy the situation. The only way to bring about more power for the ODTR is through legislation, which would lead to more legal wrangling from Eircom.
 
 

02/09/2002 18:59#27
anonymous





Like many of you I have had to suffer the incompetence of Eircon.
Visit
www.boards.ie/irelandoffline
www.irelandoffline.org
and
www.eircomtribunal.com/

€ircon rat
 

02/09/2002 22:25#28
anonymous





dont have time to read all the comments so i dont know if someone else has said this already, but the reason for the 70+ pings on dsl is not shit hardware, its a per-client serversetting called "interpolation"
look up "interpolation + adsl" on the internet, should explain it for you, basically you can ask eircom to turn off interpolation on your line, if they agreed (it costs them nothing, but they have to know how to change the number of levels of interpolation on your line to 1 or 0) then youd get a fairly solid 15 ping on adsl

fishx2
 

03/09/2002 09:02#29
Jedi
jedi




posts : 240
administrator


can this be actually done?????
 
 
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