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26/10/2005 06:10

I just dont get it

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x0n PROMODE i get pwned every day posts : 192 administrator ive donated to quake.ie! Ive spent about 5 hours online playing quake 4 now, and I dont get it. I dont understand why it plays so f*cking shit. Ive got a 2gb ddr2 ram, a 6800 ultra and an athlon64/3800+ and it still runs like shite. Yeah, I can get ~63fps on high quality, but its jerky as shit, with texture shearing, even with vsync on. The textures look the same quality as q3s max, and I can get 200fps+ with that. I mean, what the fuck am I getting for my money? ID/Raven must be colluding with Nvidia/Ati or some shit. The goddamn console wont expand commands with tab keys. theres no native cl_mouseAccel support which really pisses me off since I use a relatively high accel of 1.4. The rockets go slower than q3, but with a higher rate of fire slightly. Boring. The railgun is like some crazy cell-shaded spaz version of the q3 model that fills the screen with swirls and shite. I cant find how to stick on simple items since every weapon looks the same to me. When I run over a weapon, the text is too small to pick up easy with the corner of your eye to see what it is. The netcode is shit -- often the prediction code sends me rocking back and forward (remember the q3 serverfuck code that would shake everyone on the level? its like that). Stuck with one crosshair. Ive had people spawn inside me, but not frag me. The ramp jumping seems fairly useless. Crouch sliding is somewhat fun, but still a bit stupid. The maps are utterly gay, so far. And thats just for starters. Im sure Ill have more complaints tomorrow. I think Im probably going to put quake 4 back on the shelf until at least two iterations of patches have been released. Quake 3 rules. Still. edit: * spec tells me that tab-completion _does_ work for him, although not for me which only throws fuel on the fire tbh * overlord tells me there are multiple cursor choices -- oh dear, Im sounding like an old fart complaining about the youth of today   edited by x0n on 27/10/2005 06:10

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26/10/2005 08:01 #1 gear gear mad clan : fish heads posts : 16 i just bought it. Wont run on my laptop. Such is life. Should i buy a beast just to play q4?

26/10/2005 08:54 #2 MindPhuck Eric Mooney Im drinking stuff donated to quake.ie clan : n8z posts : 1267 site owner im unsure yet weither to agree or disagree with your findings. i havnt played it enough to say. one thing i will agree on is the beast of a computer that we need to actually play it. ive a hefty pc and while i do get the 63 fps, its still a bit iffy. ill play more tonight and see how that goes.

26/10/2005 10:34 #3 Vinnit eamo . clan : fish heads posts : 164 i agree with 63fps being a stupid cap, if they had have made it 10 fps higher like qw it would have been acceptable cos qw plays pretty smooth on 72fps and you dont really notice it being a bit off unless uve loaded it straight after playing a game with 125fps. (even if it made isdn unplayable)

26/10/2005 12:36 #4 Osiris Phill Kerins posts : 72 Overall Id have to agree with x0n here. I remember dueling zero in the q3 demo with a solid 5 fps, and getting a new vid card to play on about 15-20 fps for months when the full game came out and it was pretty playable. With this new game i can manage a respectable 40-60 fps, but the whole motion feels like im constantly jerking around. The graphics are only marginally better than quake 3, but the environmental lighting which is new cant be turned off, making for very poor performance on badly designed maps. The net code is absolute muck, it seems to be unplayable on anything more than a 50 ping, and there are very few servers ill get that to with my isp unfortunately. Also the poor visibility annoys the hell out of me, I remember it being annoying as hell getting railed by some fucker with a single digit ping half a mile away, but that was easy to get around since those kind of maps, now im getting rails by people half a room away and I cant see them since the graphics are fuzzy and the textures all blend into each other.   edited by Osiris on 26/10/2005 12:41

26/10/2005 12:49 #5 Zero Ronan Condon Absolute Fucking Champion clan : n8z posts : 816 site administrator if any of ye remember when Q3 came out, there was way more wrong with it than what ye listed. i would give it a chance, a lot of things will be ironed out in it, they wont allow the game to fall into "non-play" because of bullshit.

26/10/2005 13:34 #6 Osiris Phill Kerins posts : 72 q3 was at least playable on the piece of shit computer i had back then. At the moment if my ping spikes and i try to move it is as if a glass box was dropped over me, i am rooted to the spot until it ends.

26/10/2005 14:05 #7 Zero Ronan Condon Absolute Fucking Champion clan : n8z posts : 816 site administrator yeah that "rooted to the spot" thing is lag. i was playin the other night and two lads in my gaff were playin some non-quake-gimp games, and every time my ping hopped over 200 i was stuck. im sure that will be fixed.

26/10/2005 14:28 #8 gear gear mad clan : fish heads posts : 16 ya but u shouldnt get stuck to the spot with a 200 ping. Remember the days when that was all youd get it would still be playbale not freeze ya! Hey bring back the days of games that were playable, 2 shades of brown. NOt wow check out that players facial features! hes winking! there must be at least 3 billion pixels in that and it only drops my fps by 30 , and then i get railed between the eyes!! Where is the common sense of drawing the line with your spending power to play one game? will i or wont i . If people are grumbling about it i wont bother. And the start of q3 wasnt this bad, there was more people happy with it than not. :/ i will have to resevre me judgement. Maybe try to play it at galway lan or somefink

26/10/2005 14:46 #9 Illkillya James Galvin Entering a world of pain clan : fish heads posts : 892 site administrator ive donated to quake.ie! I have to disagree with most of ye. Im on a 4000+ with 7800GT so maybe that has something to do with it, but on my current set up it is very smooth. When I move to a new monitor, it is choppy and textures moving all over the place and stuff, but once I fix the refresh rate of the monitor at 120hz in game (I use a program called refreshlock to do this) then it makes it smooth again. Im on mostly default settings, and my connect is 64k ISDN... a really bad connect, but it feels great in 1v1 on Irish servers - the netcode is really good imo, despite it sending a lot more upload than q3, by right I shouldnt even be able to play it on 64k. If ever theres a problem (there are issues with ISDNers getting flooded out upon connecting a server) then I can go 128k. Railgun on 30 ping feels like LAN, Ive been hitting shots that would get cheating accusations in q3. The LG is useless online because of no truelightning. Nails lag me out in TDM, but sticking to 1v1 or 2v2 I have very few complaints. I expect it will get a lot worse though.

26/10/2005 14:49 #10 gear gear mad clan : fish heads posts : 16 so killy which path would you urge me to take? And not the one to Mordor.

26/10/2005 14:55 #11 Zero Ronan Condon Absolute Fucking Champion clan : n8z posts : 816 site administrator get the game, its gonna be good.

26/10/2005 15:04 #12 gear gear mad clan : fish heads posts : 16 have the game. need the computer!

26/10/2005 15:31 #13 Osiris Phill Kerins posts : 72 Im sure the lag will be fixed, hopefully soon, but unfortunately for myself it means i can;t play until it is since there is no option for offline play other than lan. I cant really comment on the railgun atm, since its been over 5 years since i played an fps with any kind of regularity my hitscan aim sucks ... except for the LG. I disagree with killy there, I can use that thing just fine when my conenction is stable

26/10/2005 18:20 #14 Illkillya James Galvin Entering a world of pain clan : fish heads posts : 892 site administrator ive donated to quake.ie! gear - whats your current set up? If its {= 300euro to upgrade to a q3 playable machine then definitely go for it. If not then its down to your discretion since I dont know how much money you have and stuff. (go on go on go on go on etc)

26/10/2005 19:08 #15 quetzal Ownerer. posts : 80 Im enjoying it. I have horrible rg aim (this isnt due to hardware or software, its from never learning it!), horrible lg aim (due to forced fakeshaft), ping flying up and down erratically(due to fps drops or something apparently, which is just due to my shit pc), and the rockets are like, quarter the speed of qw rockets. Other than that no complaints! The only thing that annoys me a little apart from the above, is that it seems to be more like ut2k4 than quake.

26/10/2005 20:27 #16 x0n PROMODE i get pwned every day posts : 192 administrator ive donated to quake.ie! quetzel: your ut2k4 comment hit the nail on the head for me; in the first 15 minutes of playing, I thought exactly the same thing, but then the feeling went away slowly over the next two hours. I think its something to do with what Osiris was saying about the visibility, or lack thereof. Im gonna annoy the shit out of spec/laurent, but I think Id like to see brightskins sooner rather than later. For me, the analogy is simple: imagine youre playing a game of chess -- would you prefer big spastic bright yellow simpsons themed chess pieces, or regular standard wooden pieces? I know which one I prefer -- the standard pieces. Why? Just as I dont want to spend half my time in chess deciphering what the fuck Im looking at before I decide the best move, I dont want to spend all my time wondering if thats a crate, a spinning weapon model or a player off in the distance blurred into the shit and iron coloured walls before I choose my wep/move/position. - Oisin

26/10/2005 20:55 #17 [spectator] Laurent Humblet posts : 222 administrator I was against brightskins because I thought that the shadows would be part of the game and theyre not. Whats the point of having a corner to hide if your enemy can see you because youre bright green? But that was before I had the game and played it and I must admit that brightskins are necessary (I like your analogy with the simpsons chess set). The game feels very good to me. I like the movements a lot. It seems that your strafe starts faster. I like the weapons also. Tweaks are necessary of course but itll happen with the next big pro mod coming out. The gameplay is frantic and the netcode seems very good to me. Although over 120 ping it blocks you alright and thats not good. Below that its playable and sometimes you dont feel the lag at all, especially with the rail which is nice. killy: I had problems with the displayRefresh also but the solution I found is just to disconnect, type the r_displayRefresh you need, vid_restart and reconnect and its fixed. I did bind a key for that and it works. I think theyll fix it next patch. My machine is a 2.8 p4, 5900XT 128Mb, 1Gb RAM and it runs smoothly once everythings turned to the lowest with some low FPS peaks when its busy. The singleplayer is very good. Maybe not as good as HL/HL2 but its an excellent military game with a StarTrek feel to it. The levels are varied enough for it not to be boring and the bosses are fun to fight (better than the D3/ROE ones). Quake 4 rocks!   edited by [spectator] on 26/10/2005 20:57

26/10/2005 22:57 #18 Illkillya James Galvin Entering a world of pain clan : fish heads posts : 892 site administrator ive donated to quake.ie! imo fullbrights are a necessity, unless you are allowed to force model. Otherwise people who use the least visible player model have an advantage as they are much more difficult to hit on some maps. You could say that theyre not at an advantage, since theres nothing to stop you and everyone else on the server from changing model too, but why not just have a forcemodel or fullbrights or ideally both?   edited by Illkillya on 26/10/2005 23:00

27/10/2005 00:43 #19 OverLord Dave Woodlock clan : n8z posts : 191 administrator theres loads of crosshairs to chose from in the menu

27/10/2005 02:33 #20 Rapier Rapp clan : n8z posts : 278 administrator Ive only put about 3-4 hrs of play in q4 so i wont form any hardcast opinions about it yet or at least not until a patch comes out. The game currently feels like a ut/q2 hybrid with terrible maps and odd movement imo. Theres no dm6 or t4 in there and thats for sure, the maps feel like ztn/aero/hubq3 lots of tight spaces varied heights and platforms etc. I realise this is probably due to performance issues on whats currently available cpu/gpu wise but still id prefer q2dm1 or q3dm6 for good measure (dont even try that shit on with q4 edge). Ramp jumping is basically pointless, it might feel semi-right if u had 125 fps and could just about reach a different level/platform from it and not a crate which then turns u into a bunny in the headlights as you jump again to reach that platform. The game badly needs brightskins, mouseaccel, more air control, (for ramp jumps) weapon hud simple items, in fact without naming a long list i could just say it needs a CPMA mod from arQon with slightly slower weapon switches than the q3 variant and slower moving/air control. Im sure the game will be a success with a lot of work and ill play it anyway whatever happens but just not as much i as i used ot play q3.

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